First off I want to thank you guys for having this help line and volunteering.

So I was in Vegas and there was one night I went to a strip club with some friends no sex activity happened at all I got bitten by a stripper I did not blead and I don't think it punctured my skin... Anyway also the next night few dancers came up no sex happened( they didn't even want to for money maybe they had him?) but I was in my underwear all night I was dancing with the stripper rubbing extreme extremely hard on her gential area I was extremely erect and I was for about 1 minute rubbing my penis with my underwear on her vagina with her underwear on as well... I felt her moist a little by her underwear. So about 2 weeks later I do not know how but I had my first hsv 2 outbreak. I still can't believe it as I had no genital to genital contact anyway I'm over it , but that got me thinking if I got hsv2 that easy maybe i could have gotten hiv? I read all the articles on the website and I know underwear to underwear contact is not risk at all.... But also on one article your answer was if a penis was penetrating a women with underwear you said it was high risk so I do not understand why is underwear to underwear no risk and skin to underwear high risk??? I got many hsv2 symptoms about 2 weeks after infected most are the same as his so I am extremely worried... Can it be somehow one in a million that I got infected.... My symptoms of flu like and fatigue are gone now it's 2.5 months in and I got one canker sore that went away after a week and part of my gums are darker...I also have egzima for last 3 years that appears in Summer's it started to come out 2 months in it didn't come out in a new place but we're it usually does maybe it's just a coincidence I don't know what to think, And I know there's no way i could have got it. So question... Is it possible? Some how someway? I'm not sexually active and when I am it's always protected I am very anxious to take a test do you see a reason for me to take one?
Hi there and thank you for reaching out to the AIDS Vancouver helpline! We're happy to help.

Since you have described multiple activities, I will break them down one by one:

1) Getting bitten is considered a no risk activity. In order for a cut or wound to be able to transmit HIV, the cut needs to be gushing blood and require immediate and professional medical attention.

2) In order to an activity to be considered "high risk", there needs to be unprotected penetration involved. However, since this is not the case for your situation, it is also considered no risk. Here is a copy of the AIDS Vancouver transmission equation to help your understanding:


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• blood (including menstrual) • unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse • vagina
• semen • sharing needles • anus
• pre-cum • mother to child (in specific cases) • urethra in the penis
• rectal secretions • open cuts and sores (in theory)
• vaginal fluids • other mucosal membranes
• breast milk • points of needle injection
In order for there to be a risk of transmission, all three factors (body fluid, activity, and direct access to the bloodstream) must be present.

I also wanted to briefly address your symptoms: there are no specific symptoms of HIV. In fact, certain individuals may never develop symptoms, and for those who do, most symptoms will go away after a few days, or at most, a couple of weeks. This is why the only way to diagnose HIV is to get tested. Because HIV symptoms mirror so many other viral infections or can be explained by other things, we do not go by symptoms here at AIDS Vancouver.

I hope I have answered your question, and feel free to contact us with any further concerns.


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