Anonymous
Hi -

Thank you for the information on your website and thank you for previous responses to other readers. I apologize to repeat a a similar somewhat, but here is my scenario:

I was with a massage girl and we were both naked. At the end she climbed on top of me and our genitals were in direct contact. There was no penetration, but she used her genitals to grind on me for at least 5 minutes. Her vaginal fluid definitely came into contact with my penis and my urethra, despite the lack of penetration.

I have read where you have stated that this is not at risk for HIV, due to outside nature of this activity. But, my follow-up question to that, is what if the contact occurs directly with the penis tip touching the vaginal fluid on the vagina, wouldn't this pose risk? Also, has there ever been any reported cased of contracting the virus in this manner? Lastly, on a different forum they indicated that the fluid at the vaginal opening is from sexual excitement and this actually does not contain HIV virus, that HIV virus is only found deeper in the vagina near the cervix. Do you believe this information to be true?

Thank you!
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Anonymous
Hi there and thank you for contacting the AIDS Vancouver Online Helpline.

It's good to hear that you have read other posts and that they were helpful.

It is true that non-penetrative rubbing (frottage) is considered to be low risk. This is because when HIV in bodily fluids (such as semen or vaginal fluid) is exposed to the air it becomes non-transmissible. In the case of frottage any bodily fluids present would be exposed to the air before coming into contact with genitals. If there is penetration this means that bodily fluids that came into contact with your genitals would not have been exposed to air and would be considered a risk.

So, if no penetration occurred during the situation you described then it can be considered to be no risk because any bodily fluids would have been in contact with the air.

The information you read on the other site stating that HIV is not present in all vaginal fluid may be false. Although it is possible that some vaginal fluid may have less, this is not confirmed and would not be likely to make any difference in risk of HIV in the case of unprotected sex.

I hope this information helps to answer your questions.

For more information you can always visit the AIDS Vancouver website or check out CATIE.org.

Isla (Volunteer)

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